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Andrew Barrett- 06-28-2008
rock music vs. automatic music
Hello all, I have heard some unkind words here and on other groups (such as MMD) said about certain modern musical genres, particularly rock music. One such thing I have heard several times over is that the quality of the music today has gone down significantly. With so many musicians (artists) out there today, I wonder how they can even begin to make such a generalization when all they've probably heard is just the typical top 40 (or whatever) radio. I've learned that a lot of collectors, especially the older ones, tend to be somewhat set in their ways and don't feel like listening to anything new, especially anything in a different musical genre than they're used to. I suppose this is true of many people (not just collectors), in and outside of the hobby. Also, a lot of collectors (most?) are not musicians, and some could not probably carry a tune if they tried (which explains the out-of-tune organs you hear sometimes!). Thus they are not, maybe, the best judges of what is quality music, only what they like to listen to (again, this can be said of the general non-musical public as well). As a musician, I thought I'd let you know there are some (in my opinion) really excellent groups out there today, which I suppose I can arbitrarily divide into two camps: 1. Some of them write songs and things that are not terribly melodic and are probably almost impossible to adapt to any regular automatic instrument. Their musical merits I consider based more on their performance and arrangement of the tune than the tune itself. Oftentimes, a good band can really "put across" a tune that would sound horrible played by any other combination of instruments, or even any other performers. HERE> This is why there are these modern-day "tribute bands" that try to re-create the whole rock performance, costumes, posturing, timbre, instrumentation etc. rather than being more creative with sort of a jazz or classical mindset as to how to re-arrange the tune to make the new version distinctive, but as good as the original. 2. Some of the rest are great bands, but are more songwriting oriented; oftentimes one or two members of the band (sometimes more) will write the songs, and they generally turn out very good by songwriting standards, and should certainly hold up to being played and sung by different people, on different instruments, and in distinctive styles. This latter category I will concentrate on here, because it's the one that's pertinent to arranging the music for things like fairground organs :) Rather than waste your time with a lot of blather about how great I think these 3 example bands are, (examples of how good modern-day stuff can be), I'll just give you the names and links to their stuff and maybe stick in a general comments paragraph at the end. Please, these are all Youtube video links. Just click on them, and listen. You don't even have to look at the accompanying video, you can minimize the browser window and/or close your eyes and just listen to the audio. In fact, I recommend this, since the videos generally just distract people from listening to the song, and can especially slant your view of it one way or another. I put forth these examples as terrific modern-day rock songwriting: - --- Death Cab For Cutie - Soul Meets Body http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0hTJF7xqV0 --- The Shins - Phantom Limb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkITsv3Nk6M --- Nightmare of You - I Want to be Buried in Your Backyard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1HctfS-H0M --- I know the lyrics will tend to prejudice people for or against some of these songs, so just try to mentally strip off the lyrics and just listen to the melody and harmony (I know this isn't easy for a lot of people). P.S. I know there will be inevitable comparisons to examples of "classic" songwriting from broadway, the music hall, tin pan alley, "great american songbook" etc. etc.. Just keep in mind that this is a different genre of songwriting and has a somewhat different musical language. P.P.S. you don't have to LIKE this... just appreciate it.

Anna Page- 06-28-2008

I know what you mean Andrew. I like the 3rd one the best for melody - I could listen to that on an organ. And some 'older' organ enthusiasts I know actually do like pop/rock type music cos I live with one such enthusiast (and I like some groups too). I'm not very familiar with some of the more recent stuff because my radio choice steers towards classical but when I do hear some recent bands playing I often think 'the tune is good' and would be quite listen able on an organ (cos after all the music hall music of the organ heyday was the pop music of its time and organs played them well, and not all of those songs were 'happy', in fact a lot were quite dark in their lyrics, so dark songs are nothing new). The key of course is to arrange the music properly and to choose the tune to suit the organ, making use of whatever attributes the organ possesses that match with the tune - this would probably make those who like modern rock groups take notice of the organ when they might walk past if it is playing anything else. Cheers Anna

Adam Ramet- 06-29-2008

Rock music on a mechanical organ not working out eh? Oh well it must be the curse of the accordion has struck again! What is it with this darn instrument? There's a one-off microscopic comment in the Cockayne book somewhere about someone who once thought people who played an accordion made good mechanical organ arrangers. Ever since then people seemed to have lapped this one up. I have a sneaky suspicion that the original comment was meant as an insult ...except someone took it as a compliment! LOL! Consider accordion jokes : Q: If you drop an accordion, a set of bagpipes and a viola off a 20-story building, which one lands first? A: Who cares? Q: What's the difference between an Uzi and an accordion? A: The Uzi stops after 20 rounds. Q: What do you call ten accordians at the bottom of the ocean? A: a good start. Q What's a bassoon good for? A: Kindling for an accordion fire. Q: What's a accordion good for? A: Learning how to fold a map. Anyway, I was listening to Weird Al on YouTube who plays the accordion as a joke in many of his tunes and what struck me was the uncanny similarity between his joke medleys and the musical arrangements of a lot of rock music for mechancial organs in recent years. If they were done by arrangers who play accordions I cannot tell but listen to the Weird Al, cast you mind back to some of those 100-key+ arrangements of similar material and you tell me! LOL! Drinks on me at GDSF to the first person who arranges any of the following for either big Verbeeck or the Gavioli one or the Marenghi one! You don't need to synchronize any of them together : a mono rendition will suffice, or even just on a 20-key balsawood handcrank job. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCAt9WcCFbM * "Chicken Dance" by Werner Thomas * "Let's Get It Started" by Black Eyed Peas * "Take Me Out" by Franz Ferdinand * "Beverly Hills" by Weezer * "The Nina Bobina Polka" by "Weird Al" Yankovic * "Speed of Sound" by Coldplay * "Float On" by Modest Mouse * "Feel Good Inc." by Gorillaz & De La Soul * "Don't Cha" by Pussycat Dolls & Busta Rhymes * "Somebody Told Me" by The Killers * "Slither" by Velvet Revolver * "Candy Shop" by 50 Cent & Olivia * "Drop It Like It's Hot" by Snoop Dogg & Pharrell * "Pon de Replay" by Rihanna * "Gold Digger" by Kanye West & Jamie Foxx * "W.A.Y. Moby Polka by "Weird Al" Yankovic or what about this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hdxt_wNpHo 1. Cradle of Love - Billy Idle 2. Tom's Diner - Suzanne Vega 3. Love Shack - The B52's 4. Pump Up The Jam - Technotronic 5. Losing My Religion - REM 6. Unbelievable - Emf 7. Do Me! - Bell Biv DeVoe 8. Enter Sandman - Metallica 9. The Humpty Dance - Digital Underground 10. Cherry Pie - Warrant 11. Miss You Much - Janet Jackson 12. I Touch Myself - Divinyls 13. Dr. Feelgood - Motley Crue 14. Ice Ice baby - Vanilla Ice and this one would be great on a 121-key Decap : I feel it in my heart! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yugldxpRDMo Wannabe - Spice Girls Flagpole Sitta - Harvey Danger Ghetto Supastar (That Is What You Are) - Pras Everybody (Backstreet's Back) - Backstreet Boys Walkin' on the Sun - Smash Mouth Intergalactic - Beastie Boys Tubthumping - Chumbawamba Ray of Light - by Madonna Push - matchbox Twenty Semi-Charmed Life - by Third Eye Blind The Dope Show - Marilyn Manson MMMBop - by Hanson Sex and Candy - Marcy Playground Closing Time - Semisonic WAY MOBY Polka - Weird Al Yankovic Whatd'ya think : Decap "Dope Show" Polka? Go for it! regards Adam PS if you have an accordion don't take offence : I have one also. PPS I don't play it. Deliberately.

Justin Senneff- 08-26-2008

I am most aggred

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