how to tube bandmaster movements?

how to tube bandmaster movements?
Is there a "traditional" pattern for controlling the left hand and head movements of a bandmaster? (on an 89 VB scale) I'm guessing it should go to a couple of the registers, but I've never paid enough attention to know if they are all the same and if so which registers the arm and head movements are connected to. Cheers, Roger

Hi Roger, This ones got me thinking! The head I think is connected to the baritone register, some organs also have it connected to the cancel/declanche key so it turns the other way when de-selected & when the book has finished. The left arm is probably the saxophone/clarinette register, an up movement when selected & a down with cancel (with the head) there is usually a double acting set of motors to do this either in the back of the figure or screwed onto a chest below with longer actuator wires. I may be wrong on all of the above though :lol: Then again you could connect everything to the snare drum & have a Bandmaster with a nervous tick !!!!!! Hope all goes well for the weekend. Robert Washington :org:

Then again you could connect everything to the snare drum & have a Bandmaster with a nervous tick !!!!!! Robert Washington :org: Watch the head on this Bruder! :lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrfV1sEYdY0 I think it's connected to the trumpets off chain perforation...

Hello Roger, On my organ ( Gavioli °1898) the bandmaster's right hand is coupled on the big drum and the head on the déclanche register (reset register). Yours, Gerard

Another suggestion I've just gotten, which makes a lot of sense is to supply the head and left arm movement from the violin or baritone chest, with the head being fed by a very small tube so that the movement is slower and more natural and the arm being fed by a bigger tube for a more decisive motion. Thanks for the help on this!

hello Roger, Here some second info, Original 87 keys,the bandmaster on key n°10 ( like LImonaire). Scale G1 (87/89 keys) the bandmaster on key n°11 Scale G2 (89 keys) key n° 11 is blanco Scale G3-G4 (89 keys) key n° 11 bandmaster That's for the right hand ,and must be special cut in tempo with the music. And for a "Variation 89 keys" , the n° 11 is : swell shutters open ! But often n° 11 is used ( by us ...)for adding a metallophone or bell or something else. Yours, Gerard

Hello Roger, I believe a few 89 key organs in the UK have the arm and head connected together on the baritone register, the other arm being connected to the bass drum of course. Hope this helps Scott

Hi Roger, The head I think is connected to the baritone register, some organs also have it connected to the cancel/declanche key so it turns the other way when de-selected & when the book has finished. The left arm is probably the saxophone/clarinette register, an up movement when selected & a down with cancel (with the head) there is usually a double acting set of motors to do this either in the back of the figure or screwed onto a chest below with longer actuator wires. I may be wrong on all of the above though :lol: Hi everyone, I believe Eric Cockayne's book 'The Fairground Organ' gives the definitive answer to this, but my copy has got buried somewhere so I can't quote from it. But having cut a few thousand yards of 89 and 98 key music, I can offer some suggestions. Firstly, there seems to be several misconceptions about the 89VB scale that need to be put right before this discussion makes any sense. There are two sections of the organ that can carry the melody. Although popularly referred to as 'melody' and 'counter-melody' this is not actually true (as will be shown why later) but I will leave alone so not to cause any more confusion! The 'melody' consists of 19 notes of a permanently coupled clarinet mixture, which can be augmented by the baritone register (a reed and open pipe playing an octave or two below the clarinets). The 'counter melody' is a 20 note section with no fixed pipes and two registers (violin and saxophone). There is also the piccolo section (17 notes fixed with an optional glockenspiel register) but I'll ignore that as it isn't relevant to the current thread. The 'normal' register selection is to have the violins playing the melody line with a clarinet and baritone counter-melody (hence my earlier comment about the sections being mis-named). For variation, the saxophone can play the melody with a clarinet and baritone counter-melody (ditto), or in forte, all three registers can be selected (violin, baritone and saxophone). Vary rarely, the clarinets will play solo with a light saxophone or violin counter-melody. From reading the above, I hope everyone comes to the same conclusion that there would be very little point in connecting anything on the bandmaster to the baritone register (which is key 11 on 89VB incidentally Gerard). Since it is the most used register control on the organ, the function would work at the beginning of most books and do barely anything else for the duration! If it was mine, and in the absence of hard evidence to the contary, I would tube it up to either of the following functions to achieve the most sensible movements:- Right hand - bass drum (no argument about that one) Left hand - declanche (or possibly saxophone register) Head - violin register Hope this unmuddys the waters a bit for you Roger! All the best, Jeremy.

A very clear and helpful explanation, thanks! Roger

on a 89 gavi it seemed that the head and left arm moved for piano/forte

Yes Jake, some gavioli organs do have the figure moving on piano/forte register, I think these are normally on G4 organs. Roger, I suppose it just depends on if you want the figure to move alot or if you want it authentic.

Well If it helps on the Wurlitzer 165 Scale. The left hand is connected to the Base Drum(and the bell ringers as well). The Head turns to a different side when the Glock bell register is applied, and I think the right hand goes down when either the Triangle, the Crash Cymbal or the Glock Bells are applied(I forgot which, I will have to study the Stinson model 87 more). Cordially: -Justin Senneff P.S: The reason I mention the Stinson model 87 is beacuse that model takes the Wurlitzer 165 Roll.

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